....Spawn Camping....

[SConforti]

Since I probably won't make the meeting, I'll toss in my thoughts...

(and these are all IMO):
1.  Camping should be defined as:
Closely positioning yourself in a stationary (or nearly stationary) position, or a trap, outside the doors of the opposing teams spawn in a way that prevents the opposing team from having a chance (non-ubered) to exit their spawn.

2.  Running by the opposing team's spawn to look for (and destroy) buildings should be legal.  Attacking anyone that comes out of spawn while destroying buildings should be legal.  If there are no buildings, or valid targets outside of spawn, you should move yourself such that you're not in the vicinity of the door.

3.  On attack/defend maps, Red should be able to camp Blu, but Blu should not be able to camp Red.

4.  On PL maps (but not PLR), Red should be able to camp Blu until Blu has gotten the cart to the first point.

5.  On traditional CP maps (symmetrical), neither team should be able to camp.

6.  The reason I feel the way I do about spawn camping is the fun factor.  It's no fun to be on Red with the high respawn times and get camped by an uber-pyro on Goldrush stage 2.  As Blu, with the quick respawn times, it's not so bad to get uber-pyro camped.

7.  It's like porn, you know it when you see it.

I can deal with that....and does work for the server...I like jail break but with 32 people the first cp is very cramped...and. I'm sorry to those who had to deal with me last night

What about all the other days I need to deal with you?   

[Smurfette]

Jailbreak is not on the rotation!  We were stuck on Hydro for like 8 rounds of never ending stalemates and sudden deaths.  So I got tired of the ppl not using rtv!  I changed it.  I asked in vent what you all wanted, I suggested jailbreak and a few of you said yes.  It is a different map and a change of pace.  I love the map!  I don't see why we can't keep it just for the occasional fun of a different map to play!  I can assure you that I will not be changing maps ever again!!

Also, Baltika - I love your definition!  I think it is wort keeping and enforcing!

[LTK]

I think Baltika's definition is adequate for our server and we should follow along those lines. As always, I believe the admins have some discretion as to whether someone is being truly abusive or just did it once. But I agree with Rally that this needs to be enforced equally by all the admins for the sake of both fairness and to maintain respect for all the admins by the community AND respect for the community by the admins.

[DEATHHAVEN]

cant wait to see how small the splash screens fonts have to be to explain the rules(rule 1 everybody must have a 30 inch monitor or a magnifying glass)

[jotun]

1.  Camping should be defined as:
Closely positioning yourself in a stationary (or nearly stationary) position, or a trap, outside the doors of the opposing teams spawn in a way that prevents the opposing team from having a chance (non-ubered) to exit their spawn.

2.  Running by the opposing team's spawn to look for (and destroy) buildings should be legal.  Attacking anyone that comes out of spawn while destroying buildings should be legal.  If there are no buildings, or valid targets outside of spawn, you should move yourself such that you're not in the vicinity of the door.

3.  On attack/defend maps, Red should be able to camp Blu, but Blu should not be able to camp Red.

4.  On PL maps (but not PLR), Red should be able to camp Blu until Blu has gotten the cart to the first point.

5.  On traditional CP maps (symmetrical), neither team should be able to camp.

6.  The reason I feel the way I do about spawn camping is the fun factor.  It's no fun to be on Red with the high respawn times and get camped by an uber-pyro on Goldrush stage 2.  As Blu, with the quick respawn times, it's not so bad to get uber-pyro camped.

7.  It's like porn, you know it when you see it.



Jotun here i have a problem with this spawn camping rule as it stands on the server.  Ignorant of what was going on smurfette enlightened me.  Saying that, this definition seems entirely reasonable.  Unfornately this is not what is being enforced at the present on the server.  Moving forward is not spawn camping.  If you want to define spawncamping as this list im fine with that: this is not whats presently happening.  All demands from admins, whom i like and respect, are outside these bounds.

[Baltika (#9)]

I think the no camping rule can be stated very easily on the server:


- No spawn camping a defending team.

[jotun]

I think you missed my point baltika.  The statement does not matter if it is not applied correctly.  I am talking about warnings when spawn camping is not happening, its not a matter of policy but of application.

[Hitman Smurf]

I think you missed my point baltika.  The statement does not matter if it is not applied correctly.  I am talking about warnings when spawn camping is not happening, its not a matter of policy but of application.

We just recently defined the rule so it will take a bit to get it completely integrated with all our admins.

[jotun]

perfect. video sucks

[LTK]

perfect. video sucks

i lawl'd.

[Mustard]

Is it spawn camping if you're playing a spy and you run from enemy spawn disguised behind a bunch of people and kill someone soon after they leave?

[Smurfette]

no, we have agreed that a spy can go in and take out a building (telly, etc) and back stab those coming out of spawn.  Your easy enough to deal with!  But as any other class, do not go to spawn and just stand to the side of the door and pick ppl off as they come out of spawn.  If your spawn camping, you know it - and therefore need to leave the server.  It is basic common sense with this rule.  Unfortunately, sometimes we get the jerks who want to fight us over it, and that is why we have the rule, defined it and enforce it!   

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