The Elders' House of Pain
Public Forum => Pc Help/Tweak Page => Topic started by: Ponce on January 05, 2008, 02:51:21 PM
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Title says it all. I'm looking to get a new computer, this one serves me well but it's a bit old. I'll be keeping my sound card so no need for a new one. Comments and suggestions are welcome.
I'll start with the tower-
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811133021
Mobo-
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813131219
Power supply-
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817703009
CPU-
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819115028
RAM-
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820145034
Hard drive-
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822148262
Video card-
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814130312
CD/DVD-
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16827118003
Card reader-
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820300608
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Some good choices. I'm not going to comment on the tower because that is usually a question of taste, but suggest getting as large a tower as possible to help promote cooling and any future upgrades.
The Mobo, I would read the reviews first. Personally I would go with the nforce 680 or 7 series (new) With that you have the ability to add a second 8800 and sli.
Memory: good choice, but double up to 4 gigs. Vista uses a gig just idling.
PSU: excellent choice! PCP&C is the shit. For a little more 1kw would be nice.
CPU: Go quad core for the same money and thank me later. Dont just look at the fact that the one you chose is 3ghz. It's only a dual core. Go with the quad and have the same smile on your face the rest of us do that have one. Yes, it's that good!
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Some good choices. I'm not going to comment on the tower because that is usually a question of taste, but suggest getting as large a tower as possible to help promote cooling and any future upgrades.
The Mobo, I would read the reviews first. Personally I would go with the nforce 680 or 7 series (new) With that you have the ability to add a second 8800 and sli.
How's this one look?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188013
Memory: good choice, but double up to 4 gigs. Vista uses a gig just idling.
I heard Vista only recognizes 3 gigs. True or not?
CPU: Go quad core for the same money and thank me later. Dont just look at the fact that the one you chose is 3ghz. It's only a dual core. Go with the quad and have the same smile on your face the rest of us do that have one. Yes, it's that good!
Done!
Thanks for the advice.
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That EVGA is a great board!
Their vid cards are kick ass too. I would get one of theirs because they have a lifetime warranty and a trade up program.
True about vista 32, it sees like 3.4 mb but since ram is cheap, why not four one gig sticks? I'm sure that once sp1 is released, they may deal with the memory issue in vista 32. That gives you one gig per cpu core, It wont hurt to have the extra memory and even though it wont see it now, wont hurt it either. Course you could always go vista 64 and not have to worry about it.
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The more I research into this the more it costs me. So far I'm a little over 1,700 bucks worth of silicone. I think I have everything squared away though. Good thing I have some money saved up. Thanks again.
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Ponce, before you order I would ask myself a serious question: Do I need to spend $1700 to play video games? If you still live at parents or are semi dependent on your folks, the answer should be no...
Just some advice bro, it's your money...Just don't waste it.
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I see where you're coming from, and thanks. The thing about me, whether it's a good thing or not, is that I hate skimping on quality. If I'm going to spend a couple hundred bucks on a mobo or a processor, I can't justify not spending an extra say, 50 bucks, to get the one that will last longer and out perform the other. And then of course it all adds up. The way I see it is if I'm already spending big money, why not go for broke (not literally). Like I said I have some money saved up, and I also have some extra money from scholarships as well, plus I work (nearly) full time. I figure I might as well spend my money on shit like this when I'm young and still living with the 'rents, because when I'm older I'll be more focused on bills, kids, IRA funds, ect.
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I can tell you from experience, once the wife and kids come along..Turn in your genitals and wallet, they no longer belong to you or need them.
:-D
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ponce let me say this i just built a really great gaming system for less then 1000 dollars and it was easy. if you like i can show you what to buy that would make a great gaming system that wont cost you so much.
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i have done it. i have designed a system for gaming close to what you have but better and cheaper. i took your designs above and modified it slightly and gave you a better and faster processor for less money and a all around better system for gaming. it took me about an hour and half so dont be too critical on me i did work hard on this but this is a killer gaming system for under a thousand dollars that has twice as much processor, twice as much ram, and twice the video card for under a grand. if you are interested i will help you make this dream system a reality. i have priced everything at microcenter. i have one here in cincinnati and they base there prices to beat (majority of the time) to beat newegg.com i have dealt with microcenter for years and they are great. so here you go here is the system you have been waiting for.
processor- 274.99 (p.s. this is not a core 2 duo... this is a core 2 quad core alot more processor for a cheaper price)
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0257938
mobo - 139.99
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0261042
power suppy - 99.99
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0265147
ram - two options 2 2gig for a total of 4 gigs 119.99 (79.99 after rebate)
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0259027
or
two 1 gig which is what you have chosen now. 59.99 (39.99 after rebate)
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0256275
hard drive.
you have found the best deal. 69.99
now here comes the part where i feel different then other people and seen it work.
video card.
the board has sli which allows you to link two cards as one well
i suggest 2 geforce 8500 gt 512mb for 99.99 each.. sli
after mail in rebate they are only 79.99 each
now since you have two of them sli together it still gives you the option of running dual monitored. and your video runns over a gig in memory.
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0263677
dvd-+R/rw 59.99
SuperMulti 8x Dual/Double Layer 20x DVD Burner with LightScribe "SATA"
i recommend this drive due to the fact it burns in dual layer it gives you lightscribe abilities so if you like to burn labels on your discs. but you dont have to use it.
and also this drive uses sata instead of ide. trust me its makes a huge world of difference
and the card reader you can get at newegg for 12.99 or microcenter where i priced everything here is 14.99
now added up the cost of everything that i priced which would make you a killer computer system. without shipping but i am sure they will ship everything free or cheap since you are purchasing alot from them. the grand total is.
978.92 with the 4gigs of memory
and
918.92 with 2 gigs of memory but i recommend the four gigs of memory due to the fact you will not get the full effect of vista unless you have 4 gigs of memory in your system. if you have any questions feel free to email me at chadsp@verizon.net
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That psu dont have enough on the 12v rails for 8800 series cards, FYI..
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Shit my new system is going to run me like 2800 by the time I'm done with it!!!
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My latest system that I have with all the little extras that I got ran me about $2600 after taxes. This includes the CPU Cooler and the NB abd SB Coolers and extra fans and such. Keyboard, Mouse, Nostromo Pad were extras.
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http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/PublicWishLists.asp?ViewType=&searchTitle=MDK&searchItemNumber=&actionType=SEARCH&sortFld=CREATEDATE&sortOrder=DESC&Page= (http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/PublicWishLists.asp?ViewType=&searchTitle=MDK&searchItemNumber=&actionType=SEARCH&sortFld=CREATEDATE&sortOrder=DESC&Page=)
The First one MDK's Gaming Rig is not mine fyi.
Not like i have build lists on it. :P
LOL
If you want me to make a list specific to you i can. All those builds are decent but they can be tweaked a little more dependin on what you want im always in vent so just hit me up.
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MDK SIGhtING
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Mine cost me around 2300, But it will last me for a while, and has alot of room for improvement, so upgrading shouldn't be too hard.
http://theelders.net/forum/index.php?topic=5471.45
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i have done it. i have designed a system for gaming close to what you have but better and cheaper. i took your designs above and modified it slightly and gave you a better and faster processor for less money and a all around better system for gaming. it took me about an hour and half so dont be too critical on me i did work hard on this but this is a killer gaming system for under a thousand dollars that has twice as much processor, twice as much ram, and twice the video card for under a grand. if you are interested i will help you make this dream system a reality. i have priced everything at microcenter. i have one here in cincinnati and they base there prices to beat (majority of the time) to beat newegg.com i have dealt with microcenter for years and they are great. so here you go here is the system you have been waiting for.
Shit man, thanks. I'll be using most of that, but the only things I'm going to change is I'll keep the PSU I selected in the beginning and the RAM. That SATA drive is badass, didn't even know they made sata drives like that. Also, another reason why the price of the original system I selected went up was because of Vista 64-bit, which I'll still need.. I'm going to order parts from microcenter and newegg, thanks again.
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The 7200.11 Seagate drive is faster then the 10K Raptor X drive. The Raptor X is 85MB/s sustained rate and the 7200.11 drives are 105MB/s sustained rate.
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Not sure if you did this, but if you get Vista 64, get the system builder. Its much cheaper, but it doesnt come with support. But if anything goes wrong, its not going to be the actual software, so back everything up and re-install the OS.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116215
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https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=6762131&WishListTitle=MDK+%2D+%241%2C591+Intel+Ati+Gamer (https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=6762131&WishListTitle=MDK+%2D+%241%2C591+Intel+Ati+Gamer)
Ok here is a link to the wish list i specifically designed around what you wanted.
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well ponce i am glad you liked in general what i have picked out. the only thing i was going to say is about the ram. corsair is a good brand i agree but OCZ is the brand that i have always used which is the one i picked out for you. with corsair your only buying a name not quality. OCZ is compaired to corsair many of times on forums and you will see that for your money i would definitely go with OCZ over corsair. i know its the only kind of ram i will use in systems. its well built easily cooled and runs great and its not harsh on the pocket. you see you can get double the ram for cheaper than corsair. but ifyou dont believe me do a search comparing corsair to OCZ and you will see.
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OCZ is the ram that I currently use which is the Reaper PC2-8500. I also like Crucial which ranks right there with OCZ. You can't go wrong with either of those 2.
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Crucial a lot of times is better than OCZ, because of the IC's they use. They use better IC's which are faster and can over clock better. While I am sure you could find them in OCZ as well they tend to be more expensive.
I completely disagree with your views of Corsair. What it ultimately comes down to is do your homework, find out what IC's are being used and you'll find out what the better RAM is.
P.S. A typical MDK build. If your looking to buy I might hold off until ATI and nVidia launch their newer equipment in Feburary.
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tp hell with you leet. :flamed:
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If your looking to buy I might hold off until ATI and nVidia launch their newer equipment in Feburary.
Evga 90 step up program ftw.
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Not sure if you did this, but if you get Vista 64, get the system builder. Its much cheaper, but it doesnt come with support. But if anything goes wrong, its not going to be the actual software, so back everything up and re-install the OS.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116215
Yeah, that's the one I had picked out, even though I don't really know the difference.
https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=6762131&WishListTitle=MDK+%2D+%241%2C591+Intel+Ati+Gamer (https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=6762131&WishListTitle=MDK+%2D+%241%2C591+Intel+Ati+Gamer)
Ok here is a link to the wish list i specifically designed around what you wanted.
Thanks, and sorry for gettin' off so fast my comp. crashed (why I need a new one) and I had to hit the sack anyway.
well ponce i am glad you liked in general what i have picked out. the only thing i was going to say is about the ram. corsair is a good brand i agree but OCZ is the brand that i have always used which is the one i picked out for you. with corsair your only buying a name not quality. OCZ is compaired to corsair many of times on forums and you will see that for your money i would definitely go with OCZ over corsair. i know its the only kind of ram i will use in systems. its well built easily cooled and runs great and its not harsh on the pocket. you see you can get double the ram for cheaper than corsair. but ifyou dont believe me do a search comparing corsair to OCZ and you will see.
I actually had some Raptor RAM picked out. I don't have the link on me but when I get home I'll post it.
If your looking to buy I might hold off until ATI and nVidia launch their newer equipment in Feburary.
I'll be ordering everything sometime around late February early March, so I have some time to get everything straightened out and take advantage of any good deals that come along.
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Nevermind I was wrong. It isn't Raptor or whatever, it's Patriot.
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820220227
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Might be able to save a few more bucks on this combo:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=3557020&sku=MCM-680ILT-Q6600A&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=WEM1541C (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=3557020&sku=MCM-680ILT-Q6600A&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=WEM1541C)
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Mr Leets is a good deal. I like it as for ram the only ram I trust is Corsair and OCZ. People have very few problems with either. The system I put up there is able to do some minor overclocking later on so you can get an extra few months out of it when the time comes. First rule of overclocking is only do it when you have the money ready for your new system. this way if something dies you can replace it and it will also give u some more time to either get more money or wait for new tech. i have been putting together builds for a long time for tons of people.
The brands that i trust.
Processor: Intel and AMD having an AMD now I am more partial to Intel.
Video - ATI: ATI, Visiontek
Video - nVidia: eVGA, XFX, BFG
Ram: Corsair, OCZ
Hardrive: Maxtor, Seagate Note: do not get .10 version
CD/DVD Drives: Asus, Plextor
Floppy Drives: Samsung, NEC
Motherboard: Asus, MSI
Powersupply: PC Power and Cooling, Antec
Fans: Silverstone, Antec
Cases: Aspire, Apevia
Monitors: Hanss-G, Viewsonic, NEC, Samsung
Keyboards: Logitech, Saitek, Virtually Indestructable Keyboard
Mouse: Logitech
Game Controls: Logitech, Saitek
Speaker: Altec Lansing, Creative, Harmen Karden
Headsets: Sennheiser, Plantronics
USB Keys: Sandisk
CD/DVDs: Memorex
Routers: Motorola, Linksys WRT54 GL, GS only
Modems: Motorola, RCA
PDA: Palm, Windows Mobile
Power Strip: Monster
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Looks like I'm going to have to order this beast sooner than I thought. My computer is now completely unresponsive. I had to go without CS all weekend :(.. Most of the time it freezes while loading windows, sometimes it gets past but usually ends up freezing before I can log in. It all started with the damn beeping. I'm pretty sure it's because I fucked up the SATA cable while getting the floppy out. The little connector doesn't stay on the mobo completely, so I'm going to get a a new cable after work and if that doesn't fix it. If not I'll be out of game for a while.
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well if you can make it to the cincinnati lan party i can go to microcenter and build it here.
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I don't trust my transportation enough to drive 900 miles. :|