The Elders' House of Pain
Public Forum => Talk Back => Topic started by: NightTrain on July 28, 2004, 10:38:29 AM
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Ok folks, where do you all stand politically? Are you conservative or liberal? Do you suppoer Bush or Kerry and why?
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I am a conservative by nature, but I always vote for who I think will do the best job. I don't make my final decision on who I am going to vote for until after the three major debates, and I have never once voted for a winning president. If you want to win the presidency, just ask me to support your opponent and you're a shoe-in. :)
So what is this clan made of? Do we lean left or right?
Please post your positions here, and do not flame other posters who have a different opinion. This thread will get lock-up if it degrades into name calling.
-NightTrain the Semi-Conservative-
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I missed the voting cutoff age by like 4 days... im 4 days too young, so I choose to ignore anything concerning presidential elections, because I'm stupid and angry. My god damn parents.. coudln't make that mistake a week earlier.. assholes..
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die fucking liberals....just die....if ur a liberal and on TE than i am glad i quit haha..i'm serious tho
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I'm 28 and have never been a registered voter and probably never will register.. Once you register they can find you for Jury Duty.. Those Bastards!! .. but I am just not political.. I hate Bullshit and that's all that politics is is bullshit.. so I'm out.. Go Ross Perot!!
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I heard that for jury duty now they go by your driver license number. Trust me Im gonna hit 18 in 20 days and I sure as hell not voting.
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then register and vote for me asshole!
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I am joing the Unites States Marine Corp, and with that in mind I am voting for Bush. That is just one of my reasons of many. I dont think Kerry has been truthful about his Vietnam war record. His own commanding officers at that time are accusing him of STAGING those vietnam videos he took. Almost all of his medals won there, are in question. One of them was recieved after getting first aid to a cut that only required a band aid. The medal request was put in by him. Then he came back from the war having admitted he commited atrocities there, and protests the war. No one agrees with his story. This is a man who says that Al Queda can not run and hide, and will be destroyed, after only a couple of months ago said he wanted to slowly pull us away. He has no PRE-EMPTIVE policy for dealing with Terrorism. He basically wants to wait till we are attacked, then React with over whelming force. I DO NOT TRUST KERRY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO NATIONAL SECURITY. I DO NOT RESPECT HIM.
I will be voting for BUSH !
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I'm 28 and have never been a registered voter and probably never will register.. Once you register they can find you for Jury Duty.. Those Bastards!! .. but I am just not political.. I hate Bullshit and that's all that politics is is bullshit.. so I'm out.. Go Ross Perot!!
You're 28 and never voted? What are you doing in this country...besides playing CS and dodging jury duty? Are you married? Do you have kids? Do you pay car insurance? How about medical insurace? You don't have to vote for the president of the USA to still vote locally? Dude, you work here and you pay taxes here, you should at least try to influence some shit around here. If you have kids or plan on it some day, don't forget...they have to go to school too. I don't care if you're a PATS fan, get that RED WHITE and BLUE off your Avatar, or make it a nice grey color because that's where you're registered. :error:
Okay, I'm getting of my soap box. Later
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For you fence-sitters, maybe this will help you decide.
http://www.jibjab.com/
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I'm just the only person who truly goes by the idea of "my vote really doesnt count" .. Nobody else can use that but me.. if everyone uses that then it screws me.. so I'm the only one who can say it.. Nobody else say that.. ok? .. Good. :D
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i do'not suppport either for one reason and that is because I AM CANADIAN!!!!!! :razz: :D :D :twisted:
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i do'not suppport either for one reason and that is because I AM CANADIAN!!!!!! :razz: :D :D :twisted:
Now that's a good excuse.
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dam right lmao
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Yeah.. I'm canadian too.. ahhh.. ya.. that's it.. Canadian!! :lol:
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im friggin 15 so i dont have to worry about jury duty or voting :] but id say bush is gay 8)
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I'm 15 also, but if I had a say in america (which aparently i don't) then I would most likely vote for bush. I have no reason behind this, it's just one of those damn instincts I have.
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lets put it plain and simple.....
u wanna die? vote kerry
u wanna live and be prosperous? vote bush
tough decision huh...
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....That makes sense, kinda. VOTE BUSH 2004!!!!
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BUSH cuz the elephant is cooler than the Donkey
im 16 so i dont vote obviously, but if i had to vote i think my vote would go to my main man G. W. My family is republican and i was raised republican and im not really into political shit, but after watching both conventions (even though the republican isn't over yet) i think i believe in more of a elephant style of thinking. Arnold's speech was incredible and i <3 the Rep. party now. I just think that Kerry is a shifty bastard and his shipmates from Nam. wrote a book about how much bs he was. He gunned a kid wearing nothing but a loin cloth and claimed that he thought he had a gun. I dunno but i dont want someone who doesn't know what they stand for running my country. Kerry will do anything to look good to the public, even if it means voting against a topic that he voted for previously.... He is a shifty bastard, thats all, thank you
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being from illinois go Kerry! I don;t care just go him.
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im 16 and personally i like bush and i dislike kerry, like johnny says.. he is very shifty
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wow I remember when I was 14-16 years old and I didn't give a shit about politics, its amazing to see at least you guys are picking sides. Maybe not all for the right reasons, but still a side is a side.
Being from RI, Kerry is my choice, naturally even though he is dropping like a rock in polls.
Whoever said he was shifty, is absolutely correct, he has been very tipsy with his statements, and I think that is what will cost him the election.
If you guys wanna use your brain for a second, think of this scenerio, what if Bush already has captured Bin Laden and is simply just holding him over there, waiting for the time to unleash the news (say 2 weeks before november??)
I think it won't happen, but if it ever did, he'd be a shoe-in. There hasn't been any news coming from over there too if you haven't noticed.
Think about it! Go out there and read a book, you lazy cs player!!!! :D
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ok, so maybe bush does wait to release it... what is your point
of course he would be a shoe in, and he should be. Some fuckers attacked us and bush went out and kicked some serious ass. thats the kinda person i want running my country. Its better that the big T's know that we are comin in hott if they attack us again. bush should be a shoe in if he caught bin laden cuz that is waht he was supposed to do, he set out to do it, and if he got it done, then hell yeah keep his as CIC. kerry is a bastard by the way
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Say what you want about Bush and his apparent lack of intelligence. What he did in taking out Saddam was a good thing. Condoning the tremendous loss of life that resulted from Saddam's tactics against the (I think it was) Kurdish people is sheer insanity and it saddens me greatly when I see the tremendous amount of support that Kerry is garnering simply because people want Bush out of power.
Honestly I don't care if Bush is a dumbass. He gets the job done and he does what I see as being the right thing. Whatever the reasons, Saddam out of power is a good thing, his response to Terrorism was a good thing, and for that matter Republicans are a good thing.
Don't mind me, I'm a bit drunk right now. Nothing quite like having a keg in your living room.
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I agree with you 100% Lord. I like the idea of being very agressive and proactive in our war against terror. I like the idea of fighting the war overseas before it gets to the US again. I like showing the rest of the world what we are capable of.
Saddam was an asshole regardless of whether he had WMD. We removed a tyrant/asshole who also committed genocide at one point. Who could be against that? We fucking owned up the Taliban, and now Bin Laden is so powerful that he hasn't once attacked us again home or abroad since 911. He is basically powerless against a nation that is now on permanent alert.
Also, the UN is now on notice that the US will not take direction from them when we feel that something represents a clear and present danger to our country. Bush has stood up for what he believes and he has done so in what he believes is the best interst of the US.
For those people who think we are just creating more terrorists by taking this approach I say, "Who gives a fuck?!" We don't back down for a fight because the other guy says he is going to get his friends. We just man up and fucking own!
Bush has done a fine job.
-Night-
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Exactly. Whoever heard of winning wars by being a pussy? The way to peace is having the biggest piece. Its not by backing down every time you're afraid of a fight.
I hear all sorts of rumors about cover ups and so forth done to make Bush look good, but lets be honest here. Preventing 9/11 would have looked a hell of a lot better then letting it occur and acting cool even under fire.
And Kerry? The guy doesn't even know his own mind half the time, and people want him for a leader? A leader has to know how to lead. Thats the defining characteristic of that trait.
Damn I am eloquent while drinking.
Edit: It is further a fact of life that Democrats want a big government.
Why is that exactly? Well lets face it. Most of the people you see today have no moral character whatsoever. The founding fathers of this country wrote a constitution that assumed we would have a basic sense of right and wrong. Our ability to do everything, from ruling ourselves to owning guns, was based on this. If we as people prove we have no such sense, we need a despotic system in place above us because we've shown we cannot do the job on our own.
And here's a fun filled fact for ya... look at the time prayer was removed from schools, and then correlate it with the scores of american youth on standardized tests. Are you aware that from that point on, our test grades dropped on a national scale? To the point where we had to revise the tests so that we would no longer look quite as much like idiots?
Forgive my incoherent ranting.
-Lord
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i agree with the three men above me :D
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why did bush go after iraq? because they "had" weapons? So where are these weapons?
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they did find some wmd
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stalkin, you are missing the point. Who gives a fuck if there are no wmd? That was a convienet excuse at the time to go in. What we really accomplished by removing saddam (besides ridding the world of a dictator that has committed genocide int he past) is so much more important than finding wmd. We showed the world that if we (the US) even think that you might have wmd, we won't hesitate to annihilate your ass. Hell, Syria and Jordan, and to an extent Iran, have backed off their weapons programs because they ar so scared that the US might just decide to take a detouron our way back home. Don't underestimate how important it is for the world to think we mean business when we talk. Diplomacy is fine in some instances, and it is useless in others. When you fight towels heads who don't care if they die for their god, then you don't use diplomacy.
General Patton once said of winning wars, "You don't win a war by dieing for your country, you win a war by making the other guy die for his."
No truer words have ever been spoken.
/Night
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oh night, how fired up you get me. i agree 110% with everything u said. people gotta know we mean buisness, and if they dont realize that, time to kick some ass. I admire the people willing to fight for our country, and i despise michael moore. he makes people look like jackasses, and he makes bush look like an incompetent fool. bush may be a little on the slow side when it comes to reading teleprompters, but he is in no way incompetent. he knows how to react to a threat, and that is by stomping the shit out of it. moore asks loaded questions that make people look like fools, but he looks like a bigger ass hat when he asks "would you send your child to iraq?" and the person answers "if he wanted to go, i would be proud of him for wanting that" or "i would go to iraq myself if i was 5 years younger"
also, phokus, was i one of the men u agree with?
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yes johnny... and thats definitly a nice way of puting it night
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If you guys wanna use your brain for a second, think of this scenerio, what if Bush already has captured Bin Laden and is simply just holding him over there, waiting for the time to unleash the news (say 2 weeks before november??)
I think it won't happen, but if it ever did, he'd be a shoe-in. There hasn't been any news coming from over there too if you haven't noticed.
Think about it! Go out there and read a book, you lazy cs player!!!! :D
I question that too. It's kind of like a trump card that wins the whole hand at the end. I think we already have Osma, they're just keeping it quiet until next month. In light of the most recent news about his military career (it's all over CNN, go get edumacated) Bush will need a trump card. Bush is a liar and a weasle (of course so is Kerry) but he knows how to get the job done even if he has to lie, that's why I'll vote for him even though I live is Massachusetts (Kerry's state for you non-news types).
But for you "Osama" conspiracy thoery types, check out this article. It's all foreshadowing.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,10680047%255E401,00.html
I can't wait to see how the Bush staff tries to explain away his shitbird (as soldiers like to refer to military chumps) status in the TANG.
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I'm glad someone thinks outside the box.... thanks flint!